I have a Ida Maria Grassi alto, number 24467 on the back. I got it from my cousin who used it band in the 80's. Pan American and Conn Stencil saxophone serial number charts have been attempted by a couple folks, but they never seem to be completed. Ida Maria Grassi Saxophone Serial Numbers; That resulted in putting other names on an in fact the same instrument. This was often the case in America but also in Europe. This was the way to expand the business avoiding a justice cause. These are the so called stencil instruments. For the USA market a lot about these instruments and makers can. An Italian company named Proel now owns the rights to the Ida Maria Grassi logo and still produces saxophones today, but with the stamp 'Italy' instead of 'Made in Italy'. This particular saxophone has serial number (48,XXX), which means it was made sometime between 1960 and 1974. Alto saxophone Ida Maria Grassi Profesionaal 2000. Alto sax just have repair and double check in folkies music shop in Kilburn ( NW6 2QH ) which cost £72 and ready to play and pads still in brilliant condition.
I frequently get questions about where to find information
about saxophones and their makers.
At first I need to say that a lot of workshops didn't label some
instruments as the dealer who was buying had put his own name
on these instruments. Besides that, several producers had contracts
with a wide spread dealer field not to sell any of their saxophones
to other dealers.
That resulted in putting other names on an in fact the same
instrument. This was often the case in America but also in Europe.
This was the way to expand the business avoiding a justice cause.
These are the so called stencil instruments. For the USA market a
lot about these instruments and makers can be found at www.saxpics.com
It is often said that these american stencil instruments are of a lesser
quality.
For the European market and especially the French market you will
find much information at the www.luthiervents.blogspot.com site.
Contrary to the the American way of working the European stencils
seems to be of a better quality than their origin. In fact I doubt that:
Why would a factory change machinery and use of materials in order
to produce a different quality. Dealers are ordering instruments because
of the quality a factory provides!
Another source could be http://www.horn-u-copia.net/
This site contains the name of a lot of manufacturers.
If anyone has additions to this information feel free to E-mail me at:
acakoevoets@kpnmail.nl
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Ida Maria Grassi Saxophone Serial Numbers
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.| Notes | Beaugnier: If you decided to play around with the serial numbers on http://www.doctorsax.biz/beaugnier_ser_nos.htm, note that he doesn't differentiate between the Leblanc System (two/three versions), Rationale (whichever spelling you wish) and Semi Rationale (two versions). | Boosey and Hawkes: 1. Boosey and Hawkes is a combination of the Boosey company and the Hawkes company. Hawkes produced their own instruments, for a time, and combined with Boosey in the 1930s. Boosey and Hawkes have been, since that time, sheet music producers and importers. 2. A lot of the saxophones stamped 'Boosey and Hawkes' are stencil instruments. To read more about stencils, please read my article HERE. | Keefer: The vast majority of saxophones stamped 'Keefer' are stencils. | Buescher: Horns stamped 'The Buescher Band Instrument Company' from the 1920's are stencils, as are the modern BU-series of horns available from Selmer, and follow different serial number charts. | Buffet-Crampon: 1. A small, but significant, percentage of all Buffet and/or Evette-Schaeffer woodwinds in the 1900-1930 range (or so) were Conn stencils and do not have Buffet serial numbers. In the 1990's, Keilwerth stenciled a saxophone for Buffet called the 'Expression' and that model has a Keilwerth serial number. 2. The modern Buffet 400 (and similar) are Asian-made and do not follow these serial number charts. | Bundy: 1. The Bundy in question here is from approximately 1950 to date. Earlier horns were a mixture of Conn and Buescher stencils. 2. For a brief time, Bundy and Bundy Special saxophones were available from Keilwerth and Dörfler & Jörka, are stamped 'Made in Germany' and do not have a Bundy serial number. | Julius Keilwerth: Except for the ST-90 I and EX-90 I and II, the ST-90 and EX-90 were not made by Keilwerth and probably do not have Keilwerth serial numbers. For a chart of those models, see THIS. | Kohlert: The modern Kohlert instruments are made in China or Taiwan. Their serial number format is completely different. The serial numbers listed here are for the German/Czech made instruments. | LeBlanc: Leblanc does not give out serial number charts. If you ask them, EXCESSIVELY NICELY, about a serial number off a horn you own, they might tell you when it was made. | SML: 1. The SML A400/T400 are Asian-made stencils not made under the authority of SML and are not included in this chart. 2. Some very early SML saxophones were stencils. There are also occasional late-model stencils. For further info, click HERE. | Vito: Vito saxophones have been made by Vito (Wisconsin), Beaugnier, Leblanc, Yamaha, Jupiter and Yanagisawa. Keep this in mind when attempting to date your instrument. | Yamaha: These serial numbers are probably only for the Vito labeled YAS-21/23/25 stencils. However, these serials might apply to all Yamsaha instruments. The standard info on Yamaha serial numbers is that they are not sequential and you need to contact Yamaha directly for information. |
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Ida Maria Grassi
I'm always looking for more info for this chart. If you have any, please drop me a line at thesaxinfo@gmail.com.
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